Episode poll 11.20: "Don't Call Me Shurley"

[caranfindel]

[Poll #2044327]

As always, no spoilers in the comments, please!

Comments

[safiyabat.livejournal.com]

I just about lost my mind when Chuck blamed the Darkness' release on Sam and Sam alone. Kind of like so many people blamed Lucifer's release on Sam and Sam alone, when then (as now) there were multiple factors leading up to that one act to include a lack of useful information on Sam's part.

Also, it reminded me that Chuck helped to goad Sam toward Lucifer's release. ("Does it all rest on my shoulders?" "It does look like the story's heading that way...")

And then finally claiming that Lucifer isn't a villain? No. Sorry. With everything that Lucifer did to Sam alone, which isn't even in dispute by anyone in universe, Lucifer is a villain.

I considered skipping this one. I wish that I'd considered a little harder.

[glovered.livejournal.com]

God bless you, safiyabat. We basically have all the same answers.

[caranfindel.livejournal.com]

And then finally claiming that Lucifer isn't a villain? No. Sorry. With everything that Lucifer did to Sam alone, which isn't even in dispute by anyone in universe, Lucifer is a villain.

I didn't take this to mean Lucifer isn't CURRENTLY a villain. I interpreted it to mean the Lucifer who fell from Heaven wasn't a villain; that he wasn't an evil character who had to be locked up. And of course some have suggested that the Mark twisted him the same way it twisted Dean, and turned him into what he is now, which is definitely a villain. It will be interesting to see if this is the case, and if God regrets what he did to Lucifer (and therefore to those affected by Lucifer).

(Standard disclaimer... I could be wrong; I often am)

[safiyabat.livejournal.com]

I see your point, and I can see a lot of the Mark twisting Lucifer into what he is now. I still feel like the line, without qualification as it was presented at air time, goes too far in terms of deeming Lucifer's actions to be forgivable, even acceptable. And considering exactly what those actions were, I have a lot of issues with that.

[caranfindel.livejournal.com]

True about the way it was presented. I tend to think the writers are being more thoughtful than they actually are.