Thanks for making me chuckle about Jack's 'good' life, poor kid doesn#t know any better!!
I really liked half this episode and hated the Nick bits! My take on 'Sam and Cas's main purpose seems to be worrying about how Dean feels about Jack dying' was that they were saying yes, Dean was taking it hard as he felt gulity for distrusting Jack at first but that both Sam and Cas felt distraught about 'losing a son' too. And when Cas said Dean had done more for Jack, I thought he meant in the past couple of days to make him feel better, not since the day he was born. Jack has said himself that he has three dads, and I think that they are all important to him, he just thinks Dean is the coolest!
> Sam and Cas being so concerned about Dean losing Jack
I may be expressing the minority view here but, tbh, when Cas made that comment about it being different when losing a son, I felt it was significant that Cas said it, ostensibly about Dean, while the camera focused on Sam. I honestly felt it was meant to be understood that the sentiment embraced all three of them.
Far be it from me to suggest show might actually be doing something intelligent, but perhaps it's deliberately leaving a lot of historical stuff like the shared parentage of Jack, and Sam's possession by Lucifer, unsaid, so as not to confuse casual viewers, whilst crediting longtime fans with the nous to read between the lines. That would actually be pretty smart because it acknowledges that the show has two very different kinds of viewers: there's the long term fans who are pretty cluey and care about this shit, but then there's the younger viewers that the network wants to attract who are casual and fickle and really only care about the pretty and the BAMF. I guess it isn't easy walking a line that satisfies both.
Oh, and then they have to write around Jared and Jensen's shortened contracts, which means coming up with reasons to film them separately so they can take days off while the other is working. The simple logistical reason why Sam couldn't have gone on the drive and fishing trip with Dean and Jack is probably that Jared wasn't working that day.
I'm gonna argue for Dean's time with Jack being mostly in-character. If they'd had a cure right then and Jack was balking at it I don't think Dean would allow that, at least not without some very heavy persuading. But Dean can slip easily into fatalism when there isn't a solution right in front of him and when he does his main coping mechanism is living right in the moment. It's the same when he's facing pretty much any catastrophe. Jack is coping with his impending death the same way Dean would. I think the big point of their interactions was that Dean doesn't just like but empathizes with Jack now. So, I'll give the episode that.
The thing that gets me about Sam's and Cas' dialogue being all about Dean's feelings is that it so easily could have been replaced by a few more lines of dialogue between Dean and Jack. Dean says he's sorry for how hard he was on Jack. Jack tells him it's okay, he understands Dean was just scared and broken-up over losing people he loved. Dean says Jack was just a kid and he shouldn't have put that on him. Done. That frees Sam and Cas up to talk about their own experiences with fatherhood.
Maybe Sergei didn't give them real archangel grace because he's a bad guy trying to slow them down from finding a cure? I don't know, depends on if he was a one-off red herring or if he's going to be a recurring villain.
I think Dean's the one who'll do the thing to bring Jack back from the brink/actual death. That's why he's getting all the daddy signposting right now. It's probably going to tie back into Michael.
Dean's dizzy spells could just be the open phone line between an angel and his vessel which Cas told us about in season 5 and which was kind of referenced again in this episode.
Maybe the Empty smacks Lucifer down and then pops off to Earth to put an end to this waking angels up business? That's my best case scenario, after the one where Lucifer is alive again for exactly how long it takes for Sam to stab him.
Poor Jack. Maybe he just doesn't have many examples of people living happy, fulfilling lives to compare his own short existence to?
I have seen a theory on Dean's dizzy spell that is probably WAY too clever for these writers, and based on the almost certainly useless hope that it isn't Michael. The basic idea is 1) Michael is creating new monsters, that don't always act like monsters used to. 2) Shape shifters are monsters who need the person they are imitating to alive and can partly channel the memories of the person they are pretending to be. 3) Dean isn't Dean, but is a shifter that has been enhanced by Michael and probably doesn't even KNOW he's not Dean. The dizzy spells are Dean trying to break through Michael's control and upsetting the shifer/Dean bond.Sadly, I think it's just Michael, but the other theory is more interesting iMHO.
My very silly question is how does Sergei get the idea that Cas can commit Sam and Dean to owing him. Yes, Sam and Dean wanted him to come, but as far as I'm concerned, Cas can only commit himself to owing Sergei a favor.
Anyway, hated the Dean being the bestest thing ever for Jack. Hated the downgrade of Sam's role. I'm not happy about Cas being downgraded as well, but since his big attachment was pre-birth, I'm less concerned. There are too many people who get all concerned about the unborn and then once they are born, don't care as much. I know this isn't Cas' case, I mean he couldn't help dying, again, but it still makes Sam, who took care of Jack from day one as primary parent.
I actually really liked the Nick bits until it turned out to be a demon possession and then they brought Lucifer into it. I wanted Nick to have killed his family and blocked it out. I was down for Mark Pellegrino playing a serial killer. But if they bring Lucifer back, seriously, someone is going to need to die and it should be the writers.
I know they're catching Dean up to where Sam and Cas were with Jack, but I also agree that the statement that he did more for Jack than either of them was bull. It was probably meant to only refer to the events that happened since Jack was sick - Dean gave him a good day, which Sam and Cas couldn't do - but it came off like the writer was just ignoring all the shit that Dean had pulled beforehand.
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I really liked half this episode and hated the Nick bits! My take on 'Sam and Cas's main purpose seems to be worrying about how Dean feels about Jack dying' was that they were saying yes, Dean was taking it hard as he felt gulity for distrusting Jack at first but that both Sam and Cas felt distraught about 'losing a son' too. And when Cas said Dean had done more for Jack, I thought he meant in the past couple of days to make him feel better, not since the day he was born. Jack has said himself that he has three dads, and I think that they are all important to him, he just thinks Dean is the coolest!
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I may be expressing the minority view here but, tbh, when Cas made that comment about it being different when losing a son, I felt it was significant that Cas said it, ostensibly about Dean, while the camera focused on Sam. I honestly felt it was meant to be understood that the sentiment embraced all three of them.
Far be it from me to suggest show might actually be doing something intelligent, but perhaps it's deliberately leaving a lot of historical stuff like the shared parentage of Jack, and Sam's possession by Lucifer, unsaid, so as not to confuse casual viewers, whilst crediting longtime fans with the nous to read between the lines. That would actually be pretty smart because it acknowledges that the show has two very different kinds of viewers: there's the long term fans who are pretty cluey and care about this shit, but then there's the younger viewers that the network wants to attract who are casual and fickle and really only care about the pretty and the BAMF. I guess it isn't easy walking a line that satisfies both.
Oh, and then they have to write around Jared and Jensen's shortened contracts, which means coming up with reasons to film them separately so they can take days off while the other is working. The simple logistical reason why Sam couldn't have gone on the drive and fishing trip with Dean and Jack is probably that Jared wasn't working that day.
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The thing that gets me about Sam's and Cas' dialogue being all about Dean's feelings is that it so easily could have been replaced by a few more lines of dialogue between Dean and Jack. Dean says he's sorry for how hard he was on Jack. Jack tells him it's okay, he understands Dean was just scared and broken-up over losing people he loved. Dean says Jack was just a kid and he shouldn't have put that on him. Done. That frees Sam and Cas up to talk about their own experiences with fatherhood.
Maybe Sergei didn't give them real archangel grace because he's a bad guy trying to slow them down from finding a cure? I don't know, depends on if he was a one-off red herring or if he's going to be a recurring villain.
I think Dean's the one who'll do the thing to bring Jack back from the brink/actual death. That's why he's getting all the daddy signposting right now. It's probably going to tie back into Michael.
Dean's dizzy spells could just be the open phone line between an angel and his vessel which Cas told us about in season 5 and which was kind of referenced again in this episode.
Maybe the Empty smacks Lucifer down and then pops off to Earth to put an end to this waking angels up business? That's my best case scenario, after the one where Lucifer is alive again for exactly how long it takes for Sam to stab him.
Poor Jack. Maybe he just doesn't have many examples of people living happy, fulfilling lives to compare his own short existence to?
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My very silly question is how does Sergei get the idea that Cas can commit Sam and Dean to owing him. Yes, Sam and Dean wanted him to come, but as far as I'm concerned, Cas can only commit himself to owing Sergei a favor.
Anyway, hated the Dean being the bestest thing ever for Jack. Hated the downgrade of Sam's role. I'm not happy about Cas being downgraded as well, but since his big attachment was pre-birth, I'm less concerned. There are too many people who get all concerned about the unborn and then once they are born, don't care as much. I know this isn't Cas' case, I mean he couldn't help dying, again, but it still makes Sam, who took care of Jack from day one as primary parent.
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I actually really liked the Nick bits until it turned out to be a demon possession and then they brought Lucifer into it. I wanted Nick to have killed his family and blocked it out. I was down for Mark Pellegrino playing a serial killer. But if they bring Lucifer back, seriously, someone is going to need to die and it should be the writers.
I know they're catching Dean up to where Sam and Cas were with Jack, but I also agree that the statement that he did more for Jack than either of them was bull. It was probably meant to only refer to the events that happened since Jack was sick - Dean gave him a good day, which Sam and Cas couldn't do - but it came off like the writer was just ignoring all the shit that Dean had pulled beforehand.