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caranfindel ([personal profile] caranfindel) wrote2018-11-14 01:18 pm

Still thinking about 14.05, and other things



First, I find it interesting that, in the episode poll for 14.05, none of you (so far) thought Sam appreciated it when people kept telling him he was a born hunter. I was sure someone would choose that option, and I'm tickled to see that we all seem to agree he has mixed feelings, at best, about being "born to it." Because (1) I thought Jared played that ambivalence really well, and (b) why would Sam be happy about that? With his canonical mixed feelings (at best) about dedicating his life to hunting, and his history of being "born to do" anything? Why would he unequivocally welcome those remarks?

And that leads me down a rabbit hole of feels about what these guys have been "destined" to do, and how they've subverted it recently. Dean was supposed to become Michael's vessel in order to kill Lucifer, thereby killing his own brother. Instead, he became Michael's vessel in order to save his brother. Sam was supposed to rule Hell and lead a demon army. Instead, he made sure there would be no ruler of Hell (or declared himself de facto ruler of Hell, depending on how you look at it) and then basically told the demons to fuck off. I'm sure this isn't intentional, but I do love that the brothers have taken these plans and prophesies and turned them upside down. And in a delicious twist, Sam is finally doing what the BMoL assumed he was doing all along - assuming a leadership role over a network of hunters.

I'm a little surprised, though, that so many of you thought the djinn freaked out when he accessed Dean's nightmares because he saw Michael hiding inside him. This djinn was already working with Michael. And when he thought Michael had rocked up to his door to put him through a test, he didn't freak out, he just played along. He was surprised to find out he wasn't actually dealing with Michael at all. So why would he be horrified to find the archangel lurking inside of Dean, when that was what he believed was happening until a couple of minutes prior?

Yeah, I know there's every chance that this is exactly what happened. But if so, I'm disappointed that they chose to play it this way.

And speaking of delicious... I was off Monday for Veterans Day, which (as you know) meant I spent a few hours watching Supernatural reruns on TNT. They were from s1, and I couldn't help but think about people watching the show for the first time, having never been exposed to the glory that is later seasons Jared Padalecki, thinking Dean is the only smoking hot Hottie McHotterson on the show, and Sam is the geeky brother with the awful haircut, and then all of a sudden you get to Hell House and THIS GUY WALKS OUT OF THE BATHROOM.


From this to THIS... the moment that changed history.

I mean, getting him all wet and slicking those bangs out of his face is enough, but glistening and clad only in a low-slung skimpy towel? How did people handle it?



I know what my episode review would have sounded like, and it would have had VERY LITTLE to do with the actual plot.

And next there was Something Wicked and the purple dog shirt. Why is this shirt so iconic? What is it about this shirt that grabbed us and won't let go? I don't know.


But I can't argue with it.

(Screencaps from Home of the Nutty, edited by me)

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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2018-11-14 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
...Having been watching in realtime at the time, that was 100% our reaction to when "Hell House" aired -- "WHERE WAS HE HIDING THAT???"

--Putting aside the body (which, we were not, because wow) I remember we were analyzing what made his face look so much better here and in the pilot and realized it was all the hairstyle -- we were very happy when s2 happened, as you can imagine.) (But seriously, what an awful haircut... We're watching our current actor crush in a show in which he has a similar haircut and it's just noooo why would would you do this to anyone? especially an attractive man with a great brow?)

[identity profile] caranfindel.livejournal.com 2018-11-14 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish I’d been there!
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[personal profile] fanspired 2018-11-15 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
It might have given you more insight into the Wincest phenomenon, too, cause that dynamic came over really strongly in the early seasons when there were no later seasons to dilute it. When I was watching the show back then it went like this:

Bugs: Sam and Dean get mistaken for a gay couple.
Me: Show's courting the gay dollar.

Something Wicked: Sam and Dean get mistaken for a gay couple.
Me: This again : /

Playthings: Sam and Dean get mistaken for a gay couple.
Me: Oh, I dunno, maybe it's not that cynical. Maybe it's just a way of covertly sneaking a gay romantic dynamic onto prime-time TV (which was never gonna happen overtly, not back then).

Playthings: Drunk scene.
Me: Oh crap. Oh, no seriously, these two Have to get together! *starts writing wincest fanfiction*

Addendum, after googling wincest, comes across Maichan's Fumbling Toward Ecstasy video
Me: *having heart attack* OMG Are they gonna get together?!! Would show go that far?!! Oh wait, it's video-shopped, of course. Calm down girl. *heart attack narrowly averted* Man that kiss was convincing, tho!
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[personal profile] fufaraw 2018-11-15 09:25 am (UTC)(link)
Oh dear heaven, does anybody have a download link for that vid? Um, please?
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[personal profile] fanspired 2018-11-15 09:37 am (UTC)(link)
OH I SURE DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45NQhrT0v8M

Enjoy! :)))

And, as a bonus, here's another of my faves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT2CTAey1Do
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[personal profile] fufaraw 2018-11-15 10:32 am (UTC)(link)
Oh--gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous! Thank you.

I have no idea how to dl off YT, to save them both in my vault o' vids. But I have them both bookmarked so I can visit. THANK YOU!
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[personal profile] fanspired 2018-11-15 10:59 am (UTC)(link)
I confess I didn't absorb the 'download' part of your request when I got all excited about providing you with links. I've never tried downloading them myself, but they've been on youtube for years so I hope they'll stay there for a good long while. I've just googled "how to download off youtube" and found this article. I don't know if you'll find it helpful, but I hope so :)

[identity profile] jj1564.livejournal.com 2018-11-15 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee hee, I love this! They certainly were mistaken for being a gay couple a lot! I love that vid and haven't seen it for a while so I'll be doing so shortly, thank you! *grins*
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[personal profile] fanspired 2018-11-15 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a classic :)

[identity profile] septembers-coda.livejournal.com 2018-11-14 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahhh Hell House. Remembered in canon for... plot reasons. ;-) And yeah, S1 Sam had such terrible hair. So glad THAT got better. Exponentially, over the seasons...

I didn't remember that Something Wicked was the dog shirt episode, though! I am unreasonably happy to see a screen cap of that right now, because that shirt plays a key role in my reverse bang fic this year! :-D The artist I worked with pointed out that the shirt has no origin story. IT DOES NOW. ;-)

ETA I can't comment on the 14.5 stuff yet because I haven't seen it, but I am sure I'll have an opinion once I do. I'm great at having opinions. ;-)
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[identity profile] caranfindel.livejournal.com 2018-11-14 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn’t remember the episode either, and I wanted to say “Dog shirt! Look, it’s the purple dog shirt!” But I wasn’t with anyone who would understand.

[identity profile] borgmama1of5.livejournal.com 2018-11-14 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Pssst--The title of your post cites 12.5 not 14.5...bet you just wanted to see who is paying attention...

Alas, as someone who mainlined the first 4 season in a month, I did not have the proper time gap to have an appropriate reaction to towel-clad-only Sammy at the time...

Gotta say, though, that boy has gotten more gorgeous as he's gotten older...

[identity profile] caranfindel.livejournal.com 2018-11-14 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude. Usually when I type on my phone I end up with 14.95. My standards are low.

And YES my boy just gets better and better! \o/

[identity profile] roxymissrose.livejournal.com 2018-11-15 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
You know, for the longest time I didn't know what people were talking about when they mentioned the dog shirt. It took years before I finally got it, actually saw the shirt. I wonder if I was somehow blocking myself from seeing that shirt?

I never noticed Sam that much in the beginning of the show, I was that wrapped up in Dean. But after a while, I realized that there was no Dean without Sam, so I had a lot of catching up to do. It was a hard job, but someone had to do it...obsessively.
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[personal profile] fanspired 2018-11-15 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
You know, when Mary said she thought this was what Sam was born to do, I took it to be focusing more on Sam in a leadership role rather than saying he was born to be a hunter.

I think there's a of truth in this too: https://twitter.com/nothingb4u/status/1062084760430882816

[identity profile] caranfindel.livejournal.com 2018-11-16 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it’s leadership *as a hunter.* If Sam were leading anything else, like if he were a law student editing the law review, neither Mary nor Bobby would have commented on it.
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[personal profile] fanspired 2018-11-15 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
> So why would he be horrified to find the archangel lurking inside of Dean, when that was what he believed was happening until a couple of minutes prior?

Maybe because Michael didn't just leave: he was forced out by something EVEN WORSE!!! (DA DA DA!!!!!!!!)

No. Show's not that clever. Michael's still in there, and this scene was just awkwardly handled.

[identity profile] caranfindel.livejournal.com 2018-11-16 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooh, that would be cool though!

[identity profile] jj1564.livejournal.com 2018-11-15 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
"I'm a little surprised, though, that so many of you thought the djinn freaked out when he accessed Dean's nightmares because he saw Michael hiding inside him." I'm sure the djinn reacted the way he did because he saw Michael in his true form, not wearing Dean's pretty, pretty face!

And I felt the same about Sam, that he was just the cute, geeky kid brother, until that towel scene!
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[identity profile] z-publicizes.livejournal.com 2018-11-15 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't really take it as ambivalence over being a hunter--I thought the tension in this episode was over Sam as a leader and teacher. Mary talks about watching him come into his own over the last few weeks when obviously he's been hunting a lot longer than that. Bobby never criticizes his hunting skills, just his command decisions.

It's being in a position of authority and being responsible for others that he may or may not be born to do. I think some of his ambivalence is simple insecurity--he doesn't feel like he's earned the praise and he's not sure how to internalize it. He's probably got some impostor syndrome going on. He became the leader while his attention was elsewhere--on the hunt for Dean, on what Dean was going through--and so he probably didn't consciously examine the decisions that made him the leader that much. He's now settled into having Dean back and that means he can take a breath and look around at what his life's become. I don't think he's miserable about it by any means. He seems at his most proud and content when he's doing the teaching part of the job, which makes sense as that's when he's making a positive difference, improving on stuff and not just running damage control--which has been something he's wanted for a while.
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[identity profile] shayheyred.livejournal.com 2018-11-15 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm curious. What are your feelings about Season 14 so far? I admit I'm super disappointed, and i feel really bad about that. To me-- and i know many people will disagree, it feels like they've run out of plots and are just marking time. Don't get me wrong, I'm in it to the bitter end, and I've had this feeling before (seasons 10 and 12) but they've always managed to pull it together and engage me again. Right now I'm feeling meh about the whole thing, don't like Jack, am actually tired of Mary, and am only curious about Nick, so please, tell me what you like about it and perhaps I'll come around!

[identity profile] caranfindel.livejournal.com 2018-11-16 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I’m here for the long run, no matter what. So far I’m happy. I can handwave bad or boring mytharc eps and appreciate MotW eps. It’s all good!
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[identity profile] shayheyred.livejournal.com 2018-11-17 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
Good to hear. I am, too. And frankly lately I've enjoyed the MotW eps more than the mythology ones. I do miss Cas when he's not in an episode. But I'm still waiting for that "Holy crap!" feeling when they really take off and soar. Well, not every season can be season 5.