Episode poll 12.14: "The Raid"

[caranfindel]

[Poll #2064088]

No spoilers in the comments, please!

ETA... Y'all, I'm sorry I didn't close an italics tag in the poll and now all your comments look like you're a lot more enthused than you actually are.

Comments

[jj1564.livejournal.com]

"Why was Dean so disturbed by Ketch punching the vampire he planned to kill..."

Dean's never been happy about torturing monsters - although he's never seemed to mind torturing demons! - and stopped Gordon from torturing Lenore back in the day. I think he feels that making them suffer is wrong, which is why he promised her to make it quick.

I always love these polls, you always make me giggle! I loved this...

"Why did Dean and Ketch feel confident about killing ten vampires but Sam and Mary were a bit panicky at the thought of killing ten vampires, even before they knew the Hunter King of Baton Rouge wasn't going to be any help?"

Thanks :)

[kribban.livejournal.com]

Dean hasn't tortured anyone since 11x01 when he and Sam pinky-swore to be better people.

[fanspired]

Need to watch the ep again, but wasn't it the fact that the Alpha was with the ten that pressed the panic button? Dean and Ketch were only anticipating ten ordinary vamps, plus I think their confidence was supposed to indicate their reckless bloodlust - speaking of which, I felt there was a strong nod back to Bloodlust in the Ketch/Dean bond. Dean was drawn to Ketch in the same way as he was initially to Gordon, because he claimed a kinship and understanding of Dean's dark side but, as in Bloodlust, Dean drew the line at wanton sadism. I think he instinctively saw Lenore in the vampire Ketch was beating up, and he may have been right to. It was interesting that the vamp who offered her the glass of blood* made a point of saying it was human, like that would be a treat for her. It made me suspect that her nest may have been cow blood drinkers until hunters wiped them out. So, I do think the grey areas of monster-is-as-monster-does may become an issue at some point.

*I think we're going to have to hand wave the fresh blood issue. Drinking blood out of wine goblets has become a common trope of vampire fiction.

Incidentally, it's not the first of Beren's episodes to allude heavily to Bloodlust. Seems it's an old favourite of his.

[jj1564.livejournal.com]

I watched it again last night, and you're right - they realised it wasn't just the vamps but the Alpha too, hence the panic stations!

And the scene of Sam shooting the Alpha was so cool, with the hole right through his head! But I'm sorry they killed him off.

" I felt there was a strong nod back to Bloodlust in the Ketch/Dean bond. Dean was drawn to Ketch in the same way as he was initially to Gordon, because he claimed a kinship and understanding of Dean's dark side but, as in Bloodlust, Dean drew the line at wanton sadism."

So right - Dean will kill because he has to, and gets a rush from it, but he's not a sadist and I loved that Dean stopped Ketch from hurting the vamp - he's a nasty bully.