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Date: 2016-05-20 06:34 pm (UTC)I did kind of wonder why no one in this show ever properly gangs up on anyone else, though. Like, couldn't the witches and the angels have smote simultaneously, maybe to greater effect?
I found the petty teenager routine to be as dull as it was the first time around with Amara and Crowley, and I'm a bit unnerved that the bunker is apparently a free-for-all now (though maybe that means they'll go back to roadtripping next season??). I wish we'd been allowed to see more of Sam's internal reactions to Lucifer's presence, though as the season's not over I'm kind of hoping for more on that next week? Foolish hope, perhaps?
Also, did they set Donatello up to die? Is he dead? Was he aware of the plan? I'm confused about him.
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Date: 2016-05-21 10:37 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-20 08:48 pm (UTC)Also - Darkness = end of magic?
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Date: 2016-05-20 11:12 pm (UTC)I think it was intended to.
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Date: 2016-05-20 11:45 pm (UTC)I don't get any of this thing.
All it's dne was break my heart and make my brothers feels and show feels heavy, sad and creeped out....
I truly don't get the point of it.
And I am (sort of) a Sam (sort of ) girl, and this is not not not not for me.
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Date: 2016-05-21 12:49 am (UTC)Lucifer was a jealous dick before the MoC -> a vicious psychopath who wants to destroy the world because his dad liked it.
Dean had some self-righteous and controlling tendencies (which, to be fair, the angels made stronger in Season 4) before the MoC -> afterwards, a vicious psychopath of a dictator.
I don't know what Cain was like beforehand other than thinking it was better to kill his brother than let him be damned, but he ended up afterwards thinking it was better to kill his whole bloodline, so... yeah.
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Date: 2016-05-21 10:30 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-21 10:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-21 12:11 pm (UTC)I'm just - can you imagine a s12 that's about dealing with a world with no supernatural - probbly needing to get it back for some reason towards the next season?
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Date: 2016-05-20 09:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-21 02:23 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2016-05-20 09:56 pm (UTC)I love your questions, you always make me smile!
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Date: 2016-05-21 10:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-20 11:01 pm (UTC)> Sam being surprised that Dean couldn't kill Amara, even though he already knew that
My take was not that Sam was surprised Dean coudn't kill her. I thought that what was news to Sam was that Dean had actually physically tried and failed. And that surprised Sam because it actually contradicts the whole "I can't do it because I'm drawn to her" plotline. Seems to me that what the writers were doing here was reminding us of the contradiction and trying to fix it by saying Dean failed because his heart wasn't in it - as opposed to what we actually saw, which was that Dean made a genuine attempt and the angel blade shattered, because it was an angel blade and she was the FRIGGIN" DARKNESS ALREADY! So yeah, I'm gonna cry a big fat bullshit on that and, indeed, the whole "I can't make myself kill her" theme.
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Date: 2016-05-21 12:51 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-21 01:10 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-21 10:50 am (UTC)Clearly I'm still undecided. ;-P
I agree that Sam was surprised about the specific failed attempt, not Dean being conflicted. But it still seems like Dean would have already told him that really important piece of information.
But I don't think it was an angel blade. I think it was the knife he took from the girl who was killing the zanna. And would an angel blade even work? If a regular one wouldn't kill an archangel, even an archangel blade wouldn't kill something a step above an archangel.
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Date: 2016-05-21 01:23 pm (UTC)Of course, this is all just my recollection which may be faulty since I haven't watched any of the recent seasons' episodes more than once (except for Baby). Meanwhile, I've just rewatched season one again for the second time . . . this month. I'd ace any pop quiz about those eps.
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Date: 2016-05-21 01:18 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-21 02:00 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-21 07:20 am (UTC)Great way of expressing it! And, ditto :)
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Date: 2016-05-21 10:51 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2016-05-21 01:32 pm (UTC)More serious observation, though: 19 people don't know and don't care if Lucifer is really dead. Just how seriously does the show have to fuck up to come to a point where most people don't give a grenade about Lucifer?
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Date: 2016-05-21 02:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-21 02:48 pm (UTC)That episode ended with Amara saying Chuck was nearly dead but would live long enough to see his creation completely destroyed. Subtext much?
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Date: 2016-05-21 05:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-21 11:16 pm (UTC)Lucifer's redemption arc (I guess they sort of went there) is IMNSHO an abomination anyway -it kinda pulls the mat under the character, and when the way they execute the idea... fuck, Supernatural has usually been great at mixing very different moods in a single episode and making it work but... no. Just no.
Seriously, WTF is up with the boys just casually observing Chuck and Luci playing a painfully unfunny sitcom in the bunker? They could've gone for Sam facing his Hell trauma again and Dean being angry and protective, great drama and plenty of feels, but no.
Oh, and I'm probably the only person who gave any attention to Amara's nail polish, but man, that's a fugly color. (Aside from that she was pretty great, tho.)
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Date: 2016-05-22 01:15 pm (UTC)