I checked “awkward exposition” because the reason for the goddamn torture porn (which I hate, though I do have a caveat to that) was wafer-thin, and even Sam’s reasons for not talking kind of were, and the whole approach of the British MoL to the situation doesn’t make any sense, and I feel like that’s because the writers haven’t actually decided what’s going to happen yet. But other than that, I adored the episode.
My caveat to hating the torture is that I do love seeing Sam tied up and vulnerable and BAREFOOT (swoon)! I wonder if we’ve ever really seen Sam’s feet before? DELICIOUS. Anytime anything unusual is actually uncovered on Sam, I’m happy, though the nature of the torture kind of killed that particular pleasure. Yuck.
I actually kind of liked how they did the psychological torture, and I always love to see Sam react to that, and as others have said, it’s wonderful to see him rise above it and be a clever BAMF anyway. It KILLED me that he didn’t make it out. KILLED ME. And made me dread that that probably means the evil torturer guy is going to show up, and I’ve had more than enough Sam torture. I don’t mind if he suffers in captivity in other ways, but UGH NO MORE TORUTRE PORN, and we did that really-good-at-torture thing with Alistair already (and I also hated that. So. Enough). I hate the idea of Mr. Ketch.
I think it’s interesting that Toni appears to be beginning to feel bad, particularly, maybe, about Jessica? I want them to take it in that direction, although it’s hard to be OK with anything about her at this point. She kind of doesn’t make sense. Weirdly, I thought Minion seemed almost to be a better person—at least she seems to prefer a good clean fight, and I liked how badass she was, although I’m not sure that made sense either—just that one human with nothing but maybe-magical brass knuckles could best a super-badass human AND an angel. I mean, I LOVE that she was so tough, but Dean is a very experienced, very burly brawler, and Cas is a warrior angel! I can’t complain too much, though, because I loved how it went down (though as you said, it was pretty predictable that Mary was gonna wake up and take her out. But I loved “Thanks, Mom!” too).
Also, yes! I really DID love the demons! They were hilarious, and I enjoyed their performances. I liked Crowley’s interaction with them, too, and it’s actually been a while since I was interested in what they were gonna do with Crowley, but I am now.
Overall, I really, really liked it despite some flaws I perceived, and am interested in where they’re taking it. HURRAY SEASON 12!
I checked “awkward exposition” because the reason for the goddamn torture porn (which I hate, though I do have a caveat to that) was wafer-thin, and even Sam’s reasons for not talking kind of were, and the whole approach of the British MoL to the situation doesn’t make any sense, and I feel like that’s because the writers haven’t actually decided what’s going to happen yet.
To me, it makes sense that Sam wouldn't tell her anything, because she's already revealed herself to be an enemy. No one with good intentions would start by shooting, kidnapping, and threatening to torture him. The part that makes no sense is that she would start as an aggressor instead of an ally. And that's why I think she has to be lying. (And also stupid.)
And we've seen Sam's feet before, briefly, in "Clap Your Hands if You Believe." It was Soulless!Sam, but he still had Sam's feet. ;-)
Yeah, that was the one thing that made sense about Sam's refusal to talk (and though I enjoyed the snark, why taunt someone into torturing you? I mean, wouldn't the preference always be for LESS torture?). I really agree that her being an aggressor, especially so instantly and horribly, doesn't make sense; that's the whole thing about her character and the BMoL that's way WTF.
Mmm, I love Clap Your Hands... so I don't know how I missed Sam's feet in it! I wondered if maybe we saw them in The Born Again Identity (cuz, mental hospital PJs). Soulless Sam's feet are just as good-- Sam wouldn't keep his soul there! No soul in his feet, but soles of his feet.
Just jumping in to day that I think we saw Sam's bare feel in season 10 maybe? All I remember is he was running down a bunker corridor with a gun and he'd just woken up and he had bare feet (I assume Dean was having a MoC nightmare?)
We also see Sam's bare feet in 'time for a wedding' when Becky has him tied up in bed (I know I know we would all rather forget that episode) and when he is wearing his yoga outfit in 'the purge'!
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Date: 2016-10-17 06:49 pm (UTC)My caveat to hating the torture is that I do love seeing Sam tied up and vulnerable and BAREFOOT (swoon)! I wonder if we’ve ever really seen Sam’s feet before? DELICIOUS. Anytime anything unusual is actually uncovered on Sam, I’m happy, though the nature of the torture kind of killed that particular pleasure. Yuck.
I actually kind of liked how they did the psychological torture, and I always love to see Sam react to that, and as others have said, it’s wonderful to see him rise above it and be a clever BAMF anyway. It KILLED me that he didn’t make it out. KILLED ME. And made me dread that that probably means the evil torturer guy is going to show up, and I’ve had more than enough Sam torture. I don’t mind if he suffers in captivity in other ways, but UGH NO MORE TORUTRE PORN, and we did that really-good-at-torture thing with Alistair already (and I also hated that. So. Enough). I hate the idea of Mr. Ketch.
I think it’s interesting that Toni appears to be beginning to feel bad, particularly, maybe, about Jessica? I want them to take it in that direction, although it’s hard to be OK with anything about her at this point. She kind of doesn’t make sense. Weirdly, I thought Minion seemed almost to be a better person—at least she seems to prefer a good clean fight, and I liked how badass she was, although I’m not sure that made sense either—just that one human with nothing but maybe-magical brass knuckles could best a super-badass human AND an angel. I mean, I LOVE that she was so tough, but Dean is a very experienced, very burly brawler, and Cas is a warrior angel! I can’t complain too much, though, because I loved how it went down (though as you said, it was pretty predictable that Mary was gonna wake up and take her out. But I loved “Thanks, Mom!” too).
Also, yes! I really DID love the demons! They were hilarious, and I enjoyed their performances. I liked Crowley’s interaction with them, too, and it’s actually been a while since I was interested in what they were gonna do with Crowley, but I am now.
Overall, I really, really liked it despite some flaws I perceived, and am interested in where they’re taking it. HURRAY SEASON 12!
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Date: 2016-10-17 07:24 pm (UTC)To me, it makes sense that Sam wouldn't tell her anything, because she's already revealed herself to be an enemy. No one with good intentions would start by shooting, kidnapping, and threatening to torture him. The part that makes no sense is that she would start as an aggressor instead of an ally. And that's why I think she has to be lying. (And also stupid.)
And we've seen Sam's feet before, briefly, in "Clap Your Hands if You Believe." It was Soulless!Sam, but he still had Sam's feet. ;-)
TERRIBLE PUN ALERT
Date: 2016-10-17 07:34 pm (UTC)Mmm, I love Clap Your Hands... so I don't know how I missed Sam's feet in it! I wondered if maybe we saw them in The Born Again Identity (cuz, mental hospital PJs). Soulless Sam's feet are just as good-- Sam wouldn't keep his soul there! No soul in his feet, but soles of his feet.
Ugh. Sorry.*
*not really sorry
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Date: 2016-10-17 07:50 pm (UTC)XD
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Date: 2016-10-20 11:23 pm (UTC)(do i know too much about this? PROBABLY)
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Date: 2016-10-21 02:28 pm (UTC)Clearly I need to delve into the DVDs with this in mind... ;-)