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Date: 2017-01-29 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennygeee.livejournal.com
I wonder what the repercussions will be that they broke the deal by Cas killing Billie.

Date: 2017-01-30 02:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amypond45.livejournal.com
I'm hoping they show that :)

Date: 2017-01-29 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kribban.livejournal.com
Can the writers please give Cas his testicles back?

Date: 2017-01-29 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caranfindel.livejournal.com
Yes! I miss old BAMF Cas.

Date: 2017-01-29 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gingersnap1224.livejournal.com
Have I forgotten something? Why couldn't Dean pray to Cas and then have him zap them out of there. Has Cas lost the power to teleport (or whatever they call it). Now that I think of it, he does seem to be driving a lot this season. I'm so confused!!!

Date: 2017-01-29 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] killabeez.livejournal.com
You're not alone—I can never remember what Cas and/or the other angels can or can't do, any more. Could be all those S8 and 9 episodes I skipped...

Date: 2017-01-30 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gingersnap1224.livejournal.com
I didn't skip any episodes and I still don't know what the heck those angels can or can't do. if seems to change willy nilly.

Date: 2017-02-01 01:07 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-01-29 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toratio.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure Cas hasn't been able to zap anywhere since he got the last of his Grace back from Metatron. When he took on the last of it (in that library where he used the literary info Metatron infodumped into his head), his wings were falling apart. So I think he has some of his angelic powers, but he hasn't been able to zap since then.

Date: 2017-01-30 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caranfindel.livejournal.com
He can't zap, they told us that, but hearing prayers hasn't ever been addressed.

Date: 2017-01-30 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toratio.livejournal.com
Yeah, I guess they could've prayed to him. Which, maybe they did? I don't know. But even if he could hear their prayers, he still wouldn't know where they were. They had no idea where they were so they couldn't tell him, and they've got the symbols on their ribs so he can't just find them.

I would assume he could still hear their prayers. I mean, he was still getting info about the niphilim on a celestial wavelength, so that would be the same as getting prayers. But maybe they didn't bother praying to him? I mean, what's the point of praying to him if he couldn't come and get them anyway and they didn't know where they were?

Date: 2017-01-29 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] killabeez.livejournal.com
My theory on how the Winchesters died is that Billie brought them poison. If she could give Sam Dean's screw (:D :D :D), she could bring them something lethal, I guess?

Date: 2017-01-30 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amypond45.livejournal.com
I like this theory :)

Date: 2017-01-29 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] casey679.livejournal.com
One important takeaway from this episode I forgot - clearly, Dean is fan of Alan Moore's Watchmen!

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Date: 2017-01-29 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toratio.livejournal.com
On Billie not being able to kill people - my understanding is she isn't allowed to kill people, because 'rules'. So maybe reapers actually can physically kill people, but are not supposed to, because their job is to reap people who are already dead.

I really want to BMoL to go away, and never moreso than Ketch going back and slaughtering people. But, on that, I'm kind of assuming it's to stop the boys being pursued by the government, but the President knows about them, and was presumably briefed about their capture. So unless Ketch killed the President, there are still people who know about the Winchesters and that they should be at point 34...

Date: 2017-01-30 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amypond45.livejournal.com
Yep to this second thing. And I'm guessing Show will pretend Ketch destroyed every trace of evidence, just to show how powerful he is.

Date: 2017-01-30 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toratio.livejournal.com
I suppose they could hack into stuff. But why didn't they just hack into things and act like Sam and Dean never existed or were dead? Why kill people? Ugh, just to show what dicks they are I guess...

Date: 2017-01-30 05:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catnthecradle.livejournal.com
Maybe Reapers can kill if it's not permanent.

Date: 2017-01-30 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toratio.livejournal.com
Maybe. But I'm pretty sure Death kills someone the first time you see him on screen, when they knock against him. But he is a Horseman, so not just a regular reaper.

Date: 2017-01-29 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cuddyclothes.livejournal.com
You didn't have the option of under "who is the Big Bad," I don't care.

Please, get the BMoL off my tv.

Date: 2017-01-30 01:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caranfindel.livejournal.com
Well, that was an egregious error on my part.

Cuddlyclothes reply

Date: 2017-02-06 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robynize.livejournal.com
I couldn't agree more! They irritate me! I wasn't excited about this storyline when they introduced it last season. Then I tried to get on board when Sammy was abducted by that beyotch. All that BAMF Sam and Sam man pain was for nothing, since it was all swept away instantly. Dean was all off complaining about mom issues to cas. Letting CAS look for Sam?? WTF. From there on i had no time for the whole story. And it hasn't gotten better. I'd rather go back to Lucifer (Pelligrino PLEASE Chuck!) being the big bad. He needs to be scary again. The Lucifer that tortured Sam. Ugh, I digress. Sorry lol. I love my show but for the love of god pick an arc and do it right! We're all over the place btw Mary, Cas powered/unpowered, BMOL etc etc.

Re: Cuddlyclothes reply

Date: 2017-02-08 03:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cuddyclothes.livejournal.com
You're right, it's all over the place. I can't be bothered to care about any of the possible Big Bads. Why bother? (redundant comment is redundant)
Edited Date: 2017-02-08 03:33 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-01-30 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mdlaw.livejournal.com
I also believe that reapers can kill people, but they usually don't. Billie could kill them, but thay's not her job.
Also I think Sam and Dean don't talk because knowledge is their only leverage. It may be the only thing keeping them alive. It is a super secret detention center. m :)

Date: 2017-01-30 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toratio.livejournal.com
They've also been trained to not talk. That was a recurring thing for them when the FBI was after them. They either said as little as possible or they had a story they were ready to roll out. Which, really, what kind of story would they have to roll out about why it looked like they tried to kill the President?

And yeah, as soon as they talked, they were probably going to be executed, especially if it seemed like they were acting alone, or they had no useful information. Not talking bought them more time.

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Date: 2017-01-30 01:11 am (UTC)
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Date: 2017-01-30 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amypond45.livejournal.com
There's no doubt the plot had weaknesses, but I loved the way they managed to show how desperate Sam and Dean were with minimal action. Sam flinching when the door was closed, Dean's dead-eyed look after two weeks had passed...It all felt so visceral to me. These guys don't talk, they don't express their feelings (except when they DO!) and yet I FELT how miserable it was for them to be separated and isolated from each other. That they came to the same conclusion felt real to me. I need to go back and watch this again, but overall I think I really loved it :)

Date: 2017-01-30 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toratio.livejournal.com
There wasn't a lot of Sam or Dean dialogue in the ep, was there? So a lot was conveyed just by their movements. So Sam checking the walls and doors, and Dean sitting on the floor, and the little routines they had. Sam trying to keep himself moving to not go crazy, and Dean just finding different places to sit as he didn't know what else to do.

Also, probs to Dean for his reaction to the food.

Date: 2017-01-30 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] killabeez.livejournal.com
As someone who had a little trouble buying that they were willing to sacrifice one of them to escape, I love the idea that it was actually being separated they couldn't stand! ♥ ♥ ♥

One thing I did love about this episode—it is RIPE for fanfic.

Date: 2017-01-30 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madebyme-x.livejournal.com
I really really enjoyed this episode (and it wasn't at all because of the jump suits ;)!!!! I thought Billie made a deal with the boys, which 'allowed' her to kill one of them. I always thought that reapers could kill, they just weren't supposed to, but maybe I'm wrong.

I left the episode fearing for Cas's future, that he's going to pay the ultimate price for his love of the Winchesters (and possibly for breaking this deal), and I loved all the feels that gave me!!!

Date: 2017-01-30 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jj1564.livejournal.com
My theory on how the boys died in their cells is that Billie is actually Death, so could kill them. I don't think Dean killed Death, but that he's used a different persona - or perhaps he just promoted Billie so he could have a little holiday! Either way, I hope we see Julian back as Death soon!

Date: 2017-02-05 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex1led-nyer.livejournal.com
Wasn't it a reaper in Faith that was killing people? Under magical influence, but still. So maybe reapers can kill, it's just not in their job description.

Date: 2017-02-07 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caranfindel.livejournal.com
Hmmm, good point. They can, but they don't. Which doesn't mean they won't/ Although in that case, the reaper was simply being transferred to a different person, so did Billie have to defer someone else's death in order to gank Sam and Dean?

(Are the writers even thinking about this? LOL! No!)

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