Episode poll 13.10: "Wayward Sisters" (plus more thoughts about 13.10)

[caranfindel]

On further review: Thinky thoughts about 13.10, "Wayward Sisters." Mild spoilers ahead if you haven't seen the episode yet.


casey28 has convinced me that it's not really all that weird that Sam and Dean didn't find themselves right next to the rift when they woke up in The Bad Place. Kaia and Jack were also thrown pretty far from the actual rift. Maybe this rift was extra powerful because it was so fresh, and/or because Jack was involved in its creation. Maybe if they'd walked through the first rift right after it appeared, it also would have thrown them a long way. So okay.

But I still think they should have been able to find it. They didn't need to be rescued by a couple of novice hunters. Except, of course, that the plot demanded it. :-|



And now the poll!



[Poll #2077401]

As always, please don't put spoilers in the comments, including casting information. Thank you!

Comments

[fufaraw]

Walt and Roy did somewhat redeem themselves by joining the hunter posse assault behind Jody and Sam on the UK MOL headquarters last season. Roy didn't survive it, but Walt did, and I think has seen the error of his ways. While I doubt Sam and Dean will ask him out for beers and poker, Walt has been a hunter for a while, is experienced and knowlegeable and can be a resource in the hunters community.

[caranfindel.livejournal.com]

WALT MURDERED MY SWEET BRAVE BOYS. HE IS BAD.

[kribban.livejournal.com]

Donna is from Minnesota, not Jody! :-)

Claire has shown gratitude before: She thanked Cas and Dean in 10x20 and Sam & Jody in 11x16.

I don't think Jody has Cas' number? She's never met or talked to him.

I'm psyched for WS and I don't try to hide it, but I really hope it's mostly MOTW/standalone episodes.

[caranfindel.livejournal.com]

Donna is from Minnesota, not Jody! :-)

DAMMIT. Stupid non-editable polls.

[tabaqui]

Uh...not sure why so stuck on 'small creature' blah blah? We've seen lots of supernatural creatures beat up on the boys, and just because this one is small in stature doesn't mean it's not stronger and faster. So - really not an issue.

And I definitely think Claire was thinking about the 'being responsible for someone/making a promise to someone to protect them' feelings she had, not 'never lost anyone before' because we all *know* she has, but she's never done that protective, big-sister kind of thing before.

I loved it, and will be watching it for sure.

[caranfindel.livejournal.com]

To me it was an issue because when something small beats up the Winchesters, it has special powers. This one was just plain fighting. They should've been able to take it out.

[tabaqui]

Eh. Meg kicked their asses before, and she didn't show any 'powers' - she's just stronger. The thing that came through later looking like Kaia (is Kaia?) had glowey eyes, so I'm going with powers that aren't obvious.

[zara-zee.livejournal.com]

Re: "It looks like Claire's quest for vengeance is going to be the central theme of Wayward Sisters, and/or she's going to be the main character"
I honestly don't think that's going to be the case. I think it's going to be a true ensemble. For a start, this is always an easier format for a Show/network as there are more people to rely on. Secondly, they've got a great group of strong characters; why wouldn't they make decent use of all of them? I think Claire is the 'teaser' character, if you will, to hook the teen audience. And sure, she'll be 'a' lead, but I think they'll all be leads. I think different episodes will showcase different characters as the POV character and I think we'll get a very well-rounded view of all of them, their motivations, inner-feelings etc.
This is what I'm hoping for, but it also makes practical sense to me that they would approach it this way. :)

[caranfindel.livejournal.com]

I hope you're right.

[z-publicizes.livejournal.com]

This is what I'm hoping for too. I really like Claire but it does seem like a waste of potential to not utilize the full ensemble.

[gidgetgal9.livejournal.com]

I think if Claire would have watched the new Star Wars movie she would have learned her lessons more easily about not rushing in without a plan. I'm old so I like the older gals and storyline better and I had hoped it would center on them more. Oh well...

[caranfindel.livejournal.com]

Good point!

[percysowner.livejournal.com]

Honestly the one thing that really bugged me was when Claire said, "they're my family, they're my army". I like them being her family and emotional support. I hate her viewing them as HER army that will carry out her needs and orders. It just hit me wrong.

Not calling Cas doesn't bother me at all. Yes, Sam and Dean did the big song and dance about how Jimmy dying saved the world, so Claire shouldn't hate Cas. However, Cas took Jimmy away from Claire and her mother (and frankly left them without his salary as well as without his love and emotional support); talked an 11 year old child into letting him use her body as he saw fit (I have HUGE issues with that) because it was the only way to save her Mommy and her Daddy's lives; then extorted her father into letting him take over his body again in order to keep Claire from being the vessel for all eternity. No amount of "but your father died a hero" can erase that. Cas is the guy who destroyed Claire's life and the first time it wasn't for good motives. So if Jody, Alex and Claire have decided that Cas isn't to be called, then I'm good with that. If Alex's vampire mother were alive, should she be called because she might care about Alex? Have I mentioned I'm not a big Cas fan?

I'm certainly willing to give WS a try as a series. I think the characters have the potential to grow and become interesting in themselves. I frankly think Claire and Alex both be a mixture of Sam and Dean instead of direct parallels. They will be their own characters with ties to concept of Sam and Dean, but still individuals. I hope that Donna and Jody will be prominent in the series as individuals. I do think "Kaia" will either be a frenemy like Crowley or become an actual ally if the series becomes a reality. In any case, I really liked the actress, so I think she can make Kaia, or evil Kaia an intriguing character.

[caranfindel.livejournal.com]

I didn't think anyone would call Cas for Claire's sake. I thought she or Jody would have called him because they were worried about the Winchesters. I know Cas is the root cause of everything bad that has happened to Claire, but she has dealt with that, to a great extent. They came an understanding. They've got some kind of a relationship. After all, she did keep the Grumpy Cat he gave her. So I definitely think that Jody would have called Cas when she was so worried about Sam and Dean, and if she didn't, Claire would have thought of it.

[tabaqui]

I have to agree - Claire would only call Castiel in direst emergency. And I think Jody and Donna just don't know him enough to think about it/don't feel like they could/possibly don't have any way to contact him.

And I think it bodes well for WS *not* calling on Castiel, as this means there won't be angel drama (and maybe no demon drama) in the show, which is a relief.

I like Castiel as a character, but I don't like all the angel and demon blah blah that's been in Show the last few seasons. A little less of that would be better.

[caranfindel.livejournal.com]

Actually, it might be best if Cas moved to WS and all the angel drama went with him! All the boring demons too, for that matter. Leaving Sam and Dean with MotW episodes and the occasional interesting demon. Yeah, I like that.

(Jack can stay.)

[dragonflybeach.livejournal.com]

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe the series will go an entirely different direction from the pilot (See: Enos, Dukes of Hazzard) but whether intentional or not, the writers seemed to emphasize that both Alex and Claire have traits of Sam and Dean. Alex is smart and wants to go to school, like Sam. She also stayed with Jody and was "the good kid" who helped with hunts, like Dean with John. She's also more traumatized than she lets on at the surface, which we've seen with Dean. Claire left home like Sam. Claire went full All Hunt All the Time, the way Sam did when he lost Dean. Claire also is more impulsive (Dean) while Alex is more methodical (Sam).

But as far as creating the world's fastest ship just so Claire would have a reason to go on a revenge quest, couldn't we have come up with some better reason? Maybe kill of Patience's dad, or one of Donna's family? Do we even have to go the whole revenge angle? Maybe Jody's dad was sheriff when she was a kid and he passed down the responsibility to protect this town? But I guess, what do you expect from a show about women, written by men?

[caranfindel.livejournal.com]

Did they even need an angle? Chicks who hunt monsters isn't interesting enough?

[z-publicizes.livejournal.com]

Re: Walt--I could see Sam and Dean getting to be just really blasé about people who've killed them because they're just numb to the repetitive trauma and it really only bothers them when death separates them from each other. Walt and Roy at least had the decency to murder them at the same time. I don't think either Sam or Dean would consider the actually getting shot part as the most upsetting thing that happened to them that day. I'm sure Dean meant his threat in the moment but I also don't think he'd get much out of revenge that's gone this cold. And, honestly, if it came up with Sam there's a decent chance that he'd be the one apologizing.

[caranfindel.livejournal.com]

I can absolutely see Sam apologizing ("sorry you had to kill me") but Dean would still be angry, I think.

[casey679.livejournal.com]

Way late to this party, but...

I actually liked this episode right up to Claire's diary at the end, which 100% didn't need to be there and would have been better without it. I feel a need to support it as a spinoff just because we've been trying to get more women on TV for how long now and it's got a lot of potential. I think it needs a female showrunner, though, not Dabb, because it seeme to need to put spotlights on points that absolutely didn't need them (like Claire's diary).

I don't think there's a direct 1:1 map to Sam and Dean with Claire and Alex. Sam wanted out of the hunting business altogether; both Alex and Claire are willing to hunt, but Claire's busy rejecting parental figures not because they're controlling assholes but because she's been let down and abandoned by them most of her teenage life. Personality- and attire-wise, she's closer to Dean, but the motivations are different.

I think what Claire meant was, "Now I know what it means to lose someone because I was too caught up in thinking I knew best" - Jody didn't just lose a son, she lost a husband who she couldn't protect from her zombie son.

I liked Dean being fine eating the lizard not because he'll eat anything, but because after a year in Purgatory, I can't imagine he'd have any trouble with that level of survival.

Also, am I the only one getting serious Lovecraft vibes from the Bad Place? Fish men, cultists and humongous looming monsters?