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Date: 2018-01-30 07:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com
Oh, I definitely agree that Sam is taking everything in the worst light because he's so depressed. I'm just not quite sure why Sam is so down to begin with -- I don't get what makes 'this' the final straw, or what 'this' even is -- Jack disappearing? Kaia dying in front of them? How was that worse than Mary disappearing and Cas dying in front of them?

(I do think it plays better if one has read Sam as barely hanging on to optimism/sanity for months/years now, and his grip finally just slipped. But even for most of this season before this ep, there were few hints that anything was really bothering Sam. I'd have liked to have gotten more all along -- even if I'm very happy to be getting something concrete now!)

Date: 2018-01-30 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caranfindel.livejournal.com
It's not that Sam is taking everything harder because he's depressed. It's that Sam and Dean started out with a vastly different viewpoints. At the beginning of the season, Dean expected the worst. Sam was hopeful for the best. So Dean was pleasantly surprised, and Sam ended up having his high hopes crushed, by the same events.

Date: 2018-01-30 09:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com
Ahhh, I see what you're saying! Sorry, I wasn't quite getting it before, because on the face of it, it looks like all of Sam's hopes from the beginning of the season came true -- Mary is indeed still alive, Cas came back, Jack isn't evil.But if he was hoping for more, if he thought everything would've worked out by now...

Someone else commented on this on Tumblr -- I think the backdoor pilot muddied this arc some. What you're describing -- at least if I'm following! -- is that Sam had pinned all his remaining hopes on Jack and Kaia's gambit to save Mary, and after that fell through, and then Kaia died, he doesn't have anything left to keep hoping with. I just didn't get that sense from Sam in 13x09-10, that he was riding so close to desperation. When Kaia refused them in 13x09, it was Dean who pulled the gun, while Sam was already trying to think of another way that didn't involve her.

If Sam & Dean had a conversation in Jurassic World, it could've set this up? There's definitely room for it. I just wish we could've actually seen it!

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